“The church needs a massive Bible education program. The church needs to acknowledge that understanding the Bible is more important than memorizing the catechism. If we could get Catholics to read the Sunday scripture readings each week before they come to Mass, it would be revolutionary. If you do not read and pray the scriptures, you are not an adult Christian. Catholics who become evangelicals understand this.”
Maybe I am wrong, but one concern I have is it seems like many are leaving the Catholic Church for touchy-feely religion. The article said very few left over doctrinal differences, although it did say those who went evangelical had problems with the Catholic interpretations. At least that is what I got from it, maybe I am wrong.
Toby, why do you make such assumptions about Catholics. Do you know them all. You certainly don’t know me. It so happens that I am Catholic precisely because of Sacred Scripture, rather than in spite of it.
You know what’s funny…Catholics read the Bible every day of the year at Mass (not just on Sunday), big chunks of it in union with hundreds of millions of other Catholics around the world and in accordance with the Lectionary.
Why, just last Sunday we stood and read through the Gospel narrative of the Passion, as well as passages from Psalms and the Epistles. I’m guessing we spent a good half hour reading the Scriptures at Mass on Sunday.
Catholics who pray the Liturgy of the Hours pray through big chunks of Scripture several times a day. Personal and private devotions and prayers beyond the Liturgy of the Hours are very common in the life and spiritual practice of faithful Catholics.
Such broad generalizations made about Catholic believers are unfortunate.
I’m skeptical about data based on self-reported surveys. Isn’t it more likely that someone who actually left the Roman Catholic Church because he or she wanted to get divorced would claim that they left for more self-flattering reasons?
Two things worth considering:
1. If Roman Catholics are leaving the RCC in droves for Protestantism, why aren’t Protestant churches dramatically growing?
2. We should look a bit closer to home. Over the past 5 years the PCUSA has lost as many members as make up the PCA. Stretch it out a bit longer and the PCUSA has lost as many members as all the members of NAPARC put together (and you can through the CREC into the mix too). Numbers certainly aren’t everything but we who are biblically Reformed certainly don’t have any room for complacency.
David, of course, you are correct. I was just tweeking some noses — imitating the tactic I’ve seen used by certain RC converts. I can think of hundreds of reasons why RCs leave the Roman Church and none of them have anything to do with a desire to move in a more biblical direction.
Hypothetically speaking, if I were considering leaving the “Roman church” and “returning home to the true Mother Church”, precisely which one is it…which one is true?
Please tell me: How would I know that true Church, since there are so many, and they are in such disagreement over very essential doctrines?
Ultimately, who gets to decide which one “it” is…me or somebody else.
If somebody else gets to decide for me, what is their authority to do so? For that matter, what makes us think any of us has the authority to make that decision?
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[From La Corona by John Donne] CRUCIFYING By miracles exceeding power of man, He faith in some, envy in some begat, For, what weak spirits admire, ambitious hate: In both affections many to Him ran. But O! the worst are most, they will and can, Alas! and do, unto th’ Immaculate, Whose creature Fate is, [...]
Thanks Steve!
This quote is interesting:
“The church needs a massive Bible education program. The church needs to acknowledge that understanding the Bible is more important than memorizing the catechism. If we could get Catholics to read the Sunday scripture readings each week before they come to Mass, it would be revolutionary. If you do not read and pray the scriptures, you are not an adult Christian. Catholics who become evangelicals understand this.”
Maybe I am wrong, but one concern I have is it seems like many are leaving the Catholic Church for touchy-feely religion. The article said very few left over doctrinal differences, although it did say those who went evangelical had problems with the Catholic interpretations. At least that is what I got from it, maybe I am wrong.
If Catholics start to read the Bible, there may be a mass exodus.
Toby, why do you make such assumptions about Catholics. Do you know them all. You certainly don’t know me. It so happens that I am Catholic precisely because of Sacred Scripture, rather than in spite of it.
You know what’s funny…Catholics read the Bible every day of the year at Mass (not just on Sunday), big chunks of it in union with hundreds of millions of other Catholics around the world and in accordance with the Lectionary.
Why, just last Sunday we stood and read through the Gospel narrative of the Passion, as well as passages from Psalms and the Epistles. I’m guessing we spent a good half hour reading the Scriptures at Mass on Sunday.
Catholics who pray the Liturgy of the Hours pray through big chunks of Scripture several times a day. Personal and private devotions and prayers beyond the Liturgy of the Hours are very common in the life and spiritual practice of faithful Catholics.
Such broad generalizations made about Catholic believers are unfortunate.
http://www.calledtocommunion.com/2011/04/ecclesial-consumerism-redux/
Kevin,
I was thinking how during the Reformation, many left the Catholic Church. It was not my intention to make assumptions.
I’m skeptical about data based on self-reported surveys. Isn’t it more likely that someone who actually left the Roman Catholic Church because he or she wanted to get divorced would claim that they left for more self-flattering reasons?
Two things worth considering:
1. If Roman Catholics are leaving the RCC in droves for Protestantism, why aren’t Protestant churches dramatically growing?
2. We should look a bit closer to home. Over the past 5 years the PCUSA has lost as many members as make up the PCA. Stretch it out a bit longer and the PCUSA has lost as many members as all the members of NAPARC put together (and you can through the CREC into the mix too). Numbers certainly aren’t everything but we who are biblically Reformed certainly don’t have any room for complacency.
David
David, of course, you are correct. I was just tweeking some noses — imitating the tactic I’ve seen used by certain RC converts. I can think of hundreds of reasons why RCs leave the Roman Church and none of them have anything to do with a desire to move in a more biblical direction.
Hypothetically speaking, if I were considering leaving the “Roman church” and “returning home to the true Mother Church”, precisely which one is it…which one is true?
Please tell me: How would I know that true Church, since there are so many, and they are in such disagreement over very essential doctrines?
Ultimately, who gets to decide which one “it” is…me or somebody else.
If somebody else gets to decide for me, what is their authority to do so? For that matter, what makes us think any of us has the authority to make that decision?
Who died and made me boss, or you, or Peter?
Kevin