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	<title>Comments on: What is Regeneration?</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;At the Synod of Dort, Arminians were entirely comfortable with Calvin’s language.&quot;

Calvin was entirely comfortable with his language as well.  And he wasn&#039;t an Arminian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At the Synod of Dort, Arminians were entirely comfortable with Calvin’s language.&#8221;</p>
<p>Calvin was entirely comfortable with his language as well.  And he wasn&#8217;t an Arminian.</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Garner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 04:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stuart - thanks for your comment and question.

I suppose it comes down to the question of whether you believe a sign and a seal accomplishes those things it is a sign and seal of, and whether the Westminster divines unilaterally agreed that baptism was merely a sign.

If that were the case, it seems like they could have made things less confusing by leaving all that regeneration and &quot;ingrafting into Christ&quot; language out of it.

Mark - thanks for your comments as well.

The acknowledgement that the meaning of the word has indeed been narrowed, and that it used to have a much broader usage is all that I&#039;m after.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart &#8211; thanks for your comment and question.</p>
<p>I suppose it comes down to the question of whether you believe a sign and a seal accomplishes those things it is a sign and seal of, and whether the Westminster divines unilaterally agreed that baptism was merely a sign.</p>
<p>If that were the case, it seems like they could have made things less confusing by leaving all that regeneration and &#8220;ingrafting into Christ&#8221; language out of it.</p>
<p>Mark &#8211; thanks for your comments as well.</p>
<p>The acknowledgement that the meaning of the word has indeed been narrowed, and that it used to have a much broader usage is all that I&#8217;m after.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jones</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this issue is a little more nuanced than your brief treatment suggests.  There&#039;s a very good reason the term was eventually more narrowly defined in the early C17th.  At the Synod of Dort, Arminians were entirely comfortable with Calvin&#039;s language.  Maccovius seems to have narrowed the term and eventually the term &#039;regeneration&#039; had reference to the monergistic work of the Spirit in conversion.  The 17thC puritans also used it to encompass sanctification.  Hodge recognizes that Calvin used the term broadly and I think it&#039;s been well-documented, even at a place like WTS East, that this issue has a complex history.

So, I guess, I&#039;m not really sure what your point in all of this is. If it&#039;s simply to say that Calvin used the term &#039;regeneration&#039; to encompass the new life in Christ, great! If it&#039;s a shot at your critics ... well, let&#039;s just say you&#039;ll have to do better than that!

Mark Jones
Leiden University]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this issue is a little more nuanced than your brief treatment suggests.  There&#8217;s a very good reason the term was eventually more narrowly defined in the early C17th.  At the Synod of Dort, Arminians were entirely comfortable with Calvin&#8217;s language.  Maccovius seems to have narrowed the term and eventually the term &#8216;regeneration&#8217; had reference to the monergistic work of the Spirit in conversion.  The 17thC puritans also used it to encompass sanctification.  Hodge recognizes that Calvin used the term broadly and I think it&#8217;s been well-documented, even at a place like WTS East, that this issue has a complex history.</p>
<p>So, I guess, I&#8217;m not really sure what your point in all of this is. If it&#8217;s simply to say that Calvin used the term &#8216;regeneration&#8217; to encompass the new life in Christ, great! If it&#8217;s a shot at your critics &#8230; well, let&#8217;s just say you&#8217;ll have to do better than that!</p>
<p>Mark Jones<br />
Leiden University</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for starting this weblog. I am enjoying your endeavors.

Does WCF 28.1 not say that baptism is &quot;a sign and seal... of regeneration&quot;? If so, then I think it is inaccurate to say that the Westminster Standards are describing regeneration as &quot;what happens in baptism.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for starting this weblog. I am enjoying your endeavors.</p>
<p>Does WCF 28.1 not say that baptism is &#8220;a sign and seal&#8230; of regeneration&#8221;? If so, then I think it is inaccurate to say that the Westminster Standards are describing regeneration as &#8220;what happens in baptism.&#8221;</p>
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